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We are concerned that this will create uncertainties as, even where a sign is capable of being illuminated, the lettering on it is likely to be clearly legible when it is not illuminated. We feel that requiring a sign which is capable of being illuminated not to be lit will not be sufficient to invalidate the message, and therefore that there is a strong case for requiring the signs to be covered up or removed. In the event of any signage which confirms the status of a vehicle as a PHV being completely covered over or removed, we are concerned that the public would not be able to recognise the operator of the vehicle when it is used as a bus. There is a potential danger that an unlicensed vehicle could masquerade as a PHV-bus and this needs to be avoided on public safety grounds. We therefore feel that only that part of any sign (illuminated or not) which relates specifically to exclusive or pre-booked hiring is covered up or removed, and that the operator?s name and phone number remain visible (these are often displayed on the doors or on a roof mounted sign, which may be illuminated). We have reservations about vehicles not being marked with any operator identification other than the licence plates, which seem most commonly to be on the back of vehicles and not in a position of any prominence. It is known that local PHV licensing authorities in Greater Manchester and elsewhere require PHVs to carry self-adhesive stickers of a standard design and colour with messages such as ?advance booking only? and ?not insured unless pre-booked?. Although it is important for this to happen, we feel that it will be difficult or impractical to ensure that these are always temporarily covered over or removed when the vehicle is operating a local bus service, and that to do so will create a significant disincentive to PHV operators to run local bus services. We suggest that this needs further consideration.Q3 Do you consider that any further elements of the hire-car code should be excepted or modified in Regulation 4?NoQ4 ? Do you consider that the exceptions and modifications to the Scottish PHV legislation have been adequately described in Regulation 5?Yes. (Please note that we believe the reference in section 5 of the draft statutory instrument should be to section 7(2) of the 1982 Act, Part I, and not to section 7(c).)Q5 ? Are there any other issues which should be identified as exceptions or modifications to the Scottish hire car code?NoQ6 (OMITTED FROM PRO-FORMA) Are you satisfied that the approach adopted in the draft Regulations is satisfactory in terms of reasonableness; if you foresee problems in terms of drivers being unable to recognise which conditions they are reasonably required to observe and which could reasonably be ignored when operating as a PHV-bus, please offer comment as to an alternative approach?We believe the proposed approach will raise some issues, but local guidance by PHV licensing authorities (who may also be the public transport authority in the area) should be capable of resolving these. Q7 Do you consider the obligation on PHV owners to display a BUS sign to be a reasonable one?Yes, in principle, as it is consistent with the requirements for hackney carriages being used as buses.However, we feel that it may be in the public interest to use the word ?TAXIBUS?, which is commonly used now by hackney carriages operating as local buses, although the legislation appears to require only the word ?BUS?. Is it the case that a PHV is not permitted to use the word ?taxi? in any circumstances? We do not see the need to differentiate between a hackney carriage and a PHV operating a local bus service, and would recommend consistent signage. We feel that for the travelling public ?TAXIBUS? will be more helpful than ?BUS?.We also feel that there needs to be a prescribed format for the ?BUS? or ?TAXIBUS? sign. The draft regulations require the sign to be 60mm high, but it is very important that the size of the lettering on it is specified, given that the destination or a route description is also required. There also needs to be a regulation governing how and where the sign is displayed ? for example it should not be allowed to lie within the vehicle, almost horizontal against the dashboard, as we suspect would often happen if the regulations do not insist otherwise. In order to aid identification we feel it is necessary for the sign to be vertical or near-vertical, and in practice we thinkif requirement is to be met it is likely that the sign could only appear against the front grille or on the roof of on the vehicle, especially on smaller PHVs such as saloon cars.Finally we feel that the BUS or TAXIBUS sign itself (including the destination) must be capable of being lit, certainly for journeys operated during hours of darkness. Q8 Do you consider it reasonable to oblige PHV owners to display a fare chart when they are providing a local bus service?We feel that the same rules should apply to both hackney and PHV operators. However, we would be satisfied with a requirement that a fare chart is available on demand, as is the case for bus services operated by PSVs. The availability of passes/permits etc should also be clearly shown.Q9 Do you consider it reasonable to oblige PHV owners to carry a copy of their special PSV operator licence in the vehicle when providing a local bus service?Yes, as proof they are suitably licensed. There may also be a requirement for enforcement purposes for drivers to carry a copy of the local bus service registration, or a suitable extract from it, as proof that the service being operated is authorised. We note that the same requirement does not appear to apply to hackney carriages when providing registered local bus services; this may be because, unlike PHVs, hackney carriages are empowered to ply for hire on demand [to although perhaps not directly relevant this consultation on PHVs, there is an argument that where a registered service operates in part outside the area in which a hackney carriage vehicle and its driver are licensed the same requirements should apply.]Q10 Do you consider that there are any other obligations which should be included in the Regulations? Yes. As stated above, we believe that a copy of the local bus service registration (or a suitable extract from it), should be carried as proof of the service to be provided. Q11 Do you have any comments on the costs that would be incurred by a PHV owner complying with these Regulations?We recognise that the more stringent requirements we have recommended above, including for example an illuminated ?BUS? or ?TAXIBUS? sign, could bring the conversion costs to significantly more than ?50 per vehicle. However the ?57 registration fee the DfT have referred to in the evidence base is per service and not per vehicle (we believe the registration fee should not be different from the cost to any other local bus service operator of registering a service). Q12 Are there any further comments which you wish to make about the Regulations?It should be made clear either in the regulations or supporting guidance that while operating a local bus service the PHV owner and driver are subject to supervision and enforcement by the Traffic Commissioner, as with any other operator providing bus services. 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